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Keeper of the Mountain investigates the claims of loggers being rapists of the forest. What is a clear cut? What is a renewable resource? Has logging hurt th…
December 7, 2013 at 12:18 pm (UTC 0)
I understand your viewpoint. However in order for man to live here at all
we need to make changes. The only way to not make changes or impact is to
not be here. The fact is, We humans live on Earth and are as much a part of
it as the grizzly and the beaver. We have lots of beavers by the way. Most
environmentalist groups at their core are quite anti-human. I am all about
living in harmony with nature but, not to the point that I cease to exist.
December 7, 2013 at 12:50 pm (UTC 0)
Here in Washington the old growth was what we have planted. We have been
planting for over 100 years. It has been a constantly adjusted over time to
be better for the health of the forest. Although not perfected it is much
better than ever. Believe it or not we actually care about our mountains.
We are happy to plant. Not just because of bad press. If we want trees to
cut later we must plant. No farmer in his right mind expects to reap what
he does not sow.
December 7, 2013 at 12:52 pm (UTC 0)
Who has the right to tell me where to live?
December 7, 2013 at 12:58 pm (UTC 0)
is it really a right or not a right to pick land not in area’s of old
growth. after they have clear cut it sure land is yours. if the end result
is a mass loss of habitat that took longer then you were alive to grow.
when loggers clear the land at first they just left it then the mud slides.
then due to bad press they started to planting crap (not the same crap they
cut because it took FOREVER to grow… for what paper? and a new home . So
wild fire can reach the crowns of the old growth?
December 7, 2013 at 1:43 pm (UTC 0)
December 7, 2013 at 1:55 pm (UTC 0)
there isnt a good case for this if it was suppose to be like “that” it
would have been the best tree would have spread the land would have created
that valley though fire and then it would have regrown. my thoughts on this
would have been different if we “needed” the wood. my practical side would
kick in and i would agree with you that altho it is an awful biz they make
a attempt to restore but we dont need it. we “want” to do biz that way due
to a blocking of viabile low impact options
December 7, 2013 at 2:14 pm (UTC 0)
All lessons learned.
December 7, 2013 at 2:20 pm (UTC 0)
The amount of trees harvested is directly connected to the demand for the
products they supply. It is the law of supply and demand. As long as
offices demand paper and builders demand lumber trees will be cut and
planted to supply them. If you can come up with something that can
profitably replace the tree then this process will continue much longer
than you or I will be around.
December 7, 2013 at 2:43 pm (UTC 0)
thanks for sharing your mountain with us
December 7, 2013 at 3:07 pm (UTC 0)
I agree. there is a lot of biodiversity out there.
December 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm (UTC 0)
No doubt we are not doing things in the perfect way. I do know though that
in my lifetime we have made major adjustments to how logging is done. Most
of them are for the better. It is a learning process. We have only been
doing it here for about 200 years. That is only 4 or 5 crop cycles. I think
we are learning pretty fast considering how long it takes to see the
results of what we try.
December 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm (UTC 0)
this supposes that we take the place of biggest .. predor which we killed
off California Grizzly …. altho .. it did effective the landscape bit
like a bigger version of what pigs do…. but the main reason.. why i dont
agree is we do control burns now.. in small area’s shifting though the
parks not really on private land tho.. which is the only force besides
grizzly, beavers that would have made those major landscape building
changes… logging for most reason is wasteful– HEMP
December 7, 2013 at 4:05 pm (UTC 0)
im not a hippy time.. but clear cutting. is pointless. enough land for
all.i could go online now and find plots of open country clear cutting is
just an excuse to live in a place or to take over a place u were not really
met to be in the first place. If it’s for paper, logging for buildings.
tons of reclaim wood to go around 500 year old tree’s inner hearts for all.
depending on the tree type is a bit stupid as well. We have a lot of
beavers because the trapping slowed down on them
December 7, 2013 at 4:57 pm (UTC 0)
true and i will keep hope’n people will stop it. wasteful..
December 7, 2013 at 5:49 pm (UTC 0)
It would be nice if we could get the DNR to stop burning the slash piles so
quickly. It benefits neither tree nor wood stove owner to burn hundreds of
cords of wood 5 weeks after it’s open to the public.
December 7, 2013 at 5:55 pm (UTC 0)
I never thought you didn’t care I put into light my disagreement with your
statement. Just like hunters love hunter and nature humans are about the
worst hunter in the world compared to a wolf we take the best the wolf
takes the weak, sometimes the strong but mostly the weak which makes for a
healthier herd. i dont doubt that hunters and loggers love it but we hurt
what we love sometimes
December 7, 2013 at 5:59 pm (UTC 0)
Head up Robinson Canyon south of ellensburg or reecer north of Ellensburg
there is a bunch of different stuff.
December 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm (UTC 0)
There are Permaculture people that say the Indians burned conifer forests
to allow other types of tree to grow. The local DNR people piled all of
that logging debris up and burned most of it. That is wasteful. It’s good
to see they are using biodiversity. Given the observed effects of
monocropping over the years, only a certifiable lunatic would try farming
all one type of tree any more.
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